View Full Version : ISB Rules..IIM Days are gone..
05-02-2007, 05:03 AM
I m sorry to say this but I strongly feel that IIM days are going to go very soon as the Indian Govt. is trying to impose that Quota stuff which would definately lower the value of IIM...I dont know what is gonna happen to the cream of IIM which will impact the placements at IIM which I feel would definately go down....Becoz these MNC want quality And I think as of now across India ISB is the only instt that offers the Best in terms of management education...
I am sorry guys but IIM are no more IIM I am there would not be any brand called IIM...
It is only gonna be ISB...what do you guys say..Please discuss..
FYI...I m not a student at any of the above mentioned instt. but after all the news and the placement these are the personal views I have regarding both the instt..
Anyways I m planning to apply to US and about to take my GMAT...I have no plans of doing my MBA from India...
Thanx & Best Regards,
05-02-2007, 09:46 AM
i agree. If quota is implemented IIMs ability to impart quality education will be seriously impacted while ISB has proved that it can get quality profs from world over.
05-02-2007, 11:15 PM
not so fast guys. Jury is still out on quota issues and given the SC prespective, it is not that Govt will have a cakewalk in term of putting OBC quota through the IIMs throat
05-03-2007, 01:03 AM
Thanx for sharing your viewpoints...
I understand what Ramki is trying to say but dude if not this year then definately next year it is going to be implemented.. This was the strategy used by our Govt to delay the admission process so as to make IIM mentally prepare that next year this is going to be implemented for sure and that is it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But I believe this OBC is going to be implemented at any cost..
neways need more views to reach a meaningful conclusion..
Thanx & Best Regards,
05-04-2007, 07:16 PM
Dude thanks for the opinion
Though you are right that quality may be sacrificed but u should know the facts first
1. Faculty is adequate to handle the ppl
2. Compare the placement figures of ISB and IIM
3. Compare the diversity of jobs
4. Compare the alumni network (most important)
ISB will take years to build that brand. One should understand that avg age in ISB is atleast 3 yrs more than that of an IIM guy and a majority of big companies prefer younger ppl ....... this is based on facts because I am a oart of IIM community and know the system well
05-04-2007, 08:15 PM
well i am also from IIMs and whatever you said was true in past but no loger valid. Let OBCs flood the gates and IIMs will vanish from that top grade scenario.
05-05-2007, 12:40 AM
Thank you ARAGORN_STRIDER and DEVANG for sharing your views..
I think this discussion is getting interesting day by day...
I agree with what ARAGORN_STRIDER is trying to say but again that might be the case way long back but in the present scenario I would still agree with DEVANG...
ARAGORN_STRIDER we cannot look at the issue in emotional manner but we have to do the analysis of the issue at hand in more practical manner so as to draw realistic conclusions rather than running around the bushes thus reaching no conclusion.....
Present scenario is going pathetic and it seems for sure that govt. gonna impose the OBC quota next year..and once this happens then it is for sure that IIM WOULD NO LONGER BE IIM ANY MORE as the quality of Wavey students would take a major toss that would directly hit the placements and ofcourse the package and it would also affect the companies visting the campus of the respective IIM..
if this happens then I m proud to be not a part of IIM...
Guys please dont take me rude but this is what I feel about our so called INDIAN GOVERNMENT which is always busy in ruining the best instt in the country...THIS IS REALLY VERY SAD!!!!..
Please share your views...
Thanx & Best Regards
05-09-2007, 05:23 AM
200 views but 3 views come on guys this topic is the most hot and valid topic in the present scenario
Please come in and pour in your meaningful views... We need to seriously analyse the entire stuff in the more practical rather than getting too emtional about the same...
So let us put in some views and do sth about this...
"It is your attitude that decides your altitude"
09-17-2007, 03:46 PM
:Sign Sorry:sorry the above commenters , i have something to express ,i am respecting to all the comments:I agree: but watch the todays scenario what happend. intjhe ranking of b school done by the business today proves that the iims will re3main as iim after introducing the quotas. why u r not taking the comparision between iim-l and isb .in 2007 both the instt have the placement as good but whqat it happend the isb didn't come under the 30. where the isb went out. plz cheak it because in the peoples intellectuals the goodwill for the iim will remain for alonger period of time even the qouta introduced or else what will happen .Wavey
09-25-2007, 10:56 AM
hey amit dnt u tnk tht the no. of IIMs is also the reason behind their brand formation. We have six IIMs but only single ISB which is givng a gud competition to IIMs.
11-04-2007, 01:53 PM
Consider this scenario where OBCs are reserved a certain amount of seats in the IIMs. Does this mean that they will not compete the open category. No they would. The OBC guys who get good CAT %iles will take up the open seats category and when all the seats in open is filled up, the OBCs with lesser percentile will have to fill up the vacant reserved slots. This means a OBC guy with 97%ile may get into IIM and an open category guy with 98%ile may lose out.
Recruiters would expect more from IIM guys, but would have to be satisfied with not so perfect profiles in the end.
The ultimate result, people from open categories avoid IIMs and move over to ISB and GLIM, making the IIMs vulnerable to decline.
PS - AM NOT AM MBA STUDENT AS YET...
11-11-2007, 06:39 AM
MBA is not education but an experience as per my opinion.
1) MBA has got lot of things to do with the faculty and most importantly your peers.ISB has got an edge in this aspect with strong faculty group from best of the B-schools, students with rich and varied work experience.
2) Placements -When you compare placements IIMs does the best since it recruits all freshers into the school and get them good entry level positions in the big joes of India, North american & Europe.ISB recruits atleast 2-3 yrs of experienced professional but they also mostly make to this entry level roles offered to IIM candidates.This is the area where ISB has to improve a lot and give a good edge to the candidates for their work experience. for example i am 3 yrs experience managing 20 ppl and also working with Directors and VP level associates from my client side(i am working for an out sourcing company).If i get into ISB next , spend 20 lacs and still get an entry role in an i-bank or a tech company , ISB is not doing any justification to my professional experience i gained these three or four yrs.Most of the working professionals do MBA looking for a Giant Career leap which is actually promised and fulfilled in Top B schools outside India.
3) Alumni network - This is very strong in IIM, but since ISB got international exposure of faculty , if students can leverage on that then their networking can easily be established in few yrs across the globe.They need not reinvent the wheel.Here again ISB should focus on placing their students at the top level which gives them a great return interms of alumi and networking
I will pen down more on this later..
your validation and comments on this opinion are most invited
I agree that ISB offer quite superior experience when it comes to international faculty, shorter duration and scores better than a lot other top B-Schools but the area where it lacks is quality of inbound stuff. In India still a lot of top class studenst either go to IIMS or go abroad and hence peerage quality is not very high. I dont want to offend ISB students per se but the day it will start getting better of IITS and other top b-schools, it will give superior ROI than IIMs though challenges related to one year programs will remain as all said and done INSEAD is yret to displace whartons and Harvards of the world.
12-08-2007, 05:43 PM
According to me, when it comes to 1 year MBA program..ISB is the winner(they are the early bird) but IIM-A has caught up quite well but still would be trailing. None other IIM can really be put on par with ISB and IIM-A
When it comes to 2 yrs program, ISB is not there in the scene...it is only IIMs.
12-08-2007, 05:45 PM
And if Arjun Singh has his way then IIMs will lose the race to even colleges like SPJAIN, NMIMS, XLRI, BAJAJ...:banana
12-20-2007, 12:08 PM
1)in iim we have more than 60% reservations which sucks
2) u basically need a 99+ percentile (good no crunchers)and a btech degree and in most probability u r through. people say they see profile . bull shit. then why dont prefer CA/ICWA/CS/COMMERCE people over btechs when its all about high flying fianance IB profiles.( how many ca/icwa/commerce peple in iim but a btech from crap college will be there)
its a unsaid truth that top notch mnc want a btech+mba combination and not a commerce+ btech combination so iim take mostly btechs to increase placement fig ..
on the other hand isb takes a total look at profile and gmat score is a small aspect .(in iim very few people get calls with less than 99 percentile)
3) isb teaches in 1 yr if they start a 2 yr course iims will be out of the picture.
4) just 10 years dude isb will be far far ahead of iim-a
iim need to reinvent themselves. ths days in india all btechs just crave about CAT from 1st yr and even forget they shd study for btech ...
12-29-2007, 03:53 PM
:bananawell i m not partially but totally agree with ur view,that IIM days r going to b gone,& soon India will witness the growth of institutes like yours & ours.:icon_cheers:
01-23-2008, 10:09 PM
It seems that this group is highly prejudiced against diversity- same old in-group - outgroup syndrome seems to operate here, "Mine is better than thou". But as Derida hath said - "without the other, i loose my identity, for identity is difference"
Let not uniqueness exist, cause our minds shall construe it as a despisable abnormality.......:LOL:.......
Let not uniqueness exist, cause our minds shall construe it as a despisable abnormality.......
Very well said ritesh. i think we all are bogged down by symbols in our life and end of behaving as jailed by them only.
06-30-2008, 11:03 AM
Different ppl...different views ...same is mine ..a different comment.In todays scenario we all know wt IIM is?definitely Implementing Quota is a worst idea..But it doesn't mean that IIMs will loose there reputation in this way .Because rather than the students we can't deny the other positive points regarding IIMs .Obviously the faculty have a gr8 role.They have somthing which no one can deny . n Thats why I think that still IIM is IIM..If I get a choice then definitely it will be IIM.Wavey
09-02-2008, 07:41 AM
I totally disagree with your words!! There are quality ppl in all quota of our country.... They can be relied on to make the IIM's more good then ever before... Quality doesn't get lost but it might get degraded a bit but am sure the IIM's would take sufficient steps to rectify these problems and maintain their standards.
01-28-2009, 09:06 AM
Congrats on securing admission in ISB however I will encourage you not to let go your chance to secure admission in IIMs as well and then evaluate your choice carefully.
01-31-2009, 02:03 PM
What a stupid thing to say.
I've got into ISB, and I also have 99.92%ile in CAT and calls from all the IIM's. I'm choosing ISB coz I personally think it is better.
Hello no offence meant to you , but i know that u dont ve a call from IIM-A and IIM-B, and neither ve u converted CLIK as f now, so u would be prefering ISB (which has been ranked 15th as of now in the world) , your choice would ve been much more difficult if u would ve converted IIM-A , and to choose between IIM-A and ISB , and i dont ve to tell you the advantages of IIM-A for an IITian with lesser work experience like you, compared to ISB