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aznrib
11-19-2007, 01:26 PM
Hi everyone, I have one quick question. The reason why I am posting on here is because my friend is going for his GMATs. We got into this whole pointless debate.

Long story short is my friend and I were having a heated debate something something random and he said arguments/debates all have to come to some type of mutual ground. I said not all and he said he never said all. He says "adjectives put reference to the words after them...not before...with that said..."all" was AFTER "arguments/debates""

He said this was one of the GMAT techniques he learned from kaplan. Is this correct?

By saying this:
"arguments/debates all have to come to some type of mutual ground"

Does this imply that all arguments and debates have come to some type of mutual ground or not all arguments/debates all have come to some type of mutual ground.

Please provide me with some feedback, I would just like to know for my reference.

Thanks,
Ed

EnglishMantra
11-19-2007, 09:57 PM
The word 'all' itself is adjective and pronoun. Adjectives are attributively and predicatively used. The use of 'all' after an adjective is incorrect. But the use of 'all' before or after a noun or pronoun is correct.

aznrib
11-20-2007, 06:26 AM
Thanks for the fast reply
so his sentence structure was correct. But does this imply that all arguments and debates have come to some type of mutual ground or the other way around which is, not all arguments/debates all have come to some type of mutual ground.

EnglishMantra
11-20-2007, 12:47 PM
all arguments and debates have come to some type of mutual ground or the other way around which is,
not all arguments/debates all have come to some type of mutual ground.

Kindly note that it can't be "not all arguments/debates all" can obly be true if you write it like

not all arguments/debates ( all omitted)

or

not all arguments/debates, all ( kindly note the comma)

here "all" denotes members in the arguments.

aznrib
11-20-2007, 08:46 PM
Whoops I had a typo in there. What I ment to say was, does this statement "arguments/debates all have to come to some type of mutual ground" mean that not all arguments and debates come to some type of mutual ground? or does it mean that all arguments/debates have to come to some type of mutual ground?

From what he tell me, if you put "all" after the noun it makes it not true.
Example:

"Tall people all weight more then 150lbs"
Does this imply that all tall people weigh more then 150lbs?
OR
Does this imply that not all tall people weigh more then 150lbs?

EnglishMantra
11-21-2007, 09:10 AM
It implies that "all tall people weigh more then 150lbs". As said earlier "all" can be used before / after a noun / pronoun.

EnglishMantra
11-22-2007, 12:53 PM
Hi

Kindly go through the lesson below related to usage of "all". It will help you to understand the whole prespective.

All: The word ‘ all’ is chiefly used as a pronoun, as an adjective and as an adverb. As a noun it (all) is rarely used. It is used both in singular and plural numbers. Study the following sentences.

Did you eat all the cake on the dining table?( adjective)
The cat took away all of the loaves from the kitchen.( pronoun, plural)
Yudhishthir lost his all in the gambling.( noun)
All ( everything) that glitters is not gold.( pronoun, singular)
Is that all you have got to tell the police?( pronoun, singular)
The old man was all alone in his big house when I met him.( adverb)
A few students, not all, have gone on strike.( pronoun, plural)
All spoke in favour of the Nuclear- Deal.( pronoun, plural)
Idioms: all but( almost); all in all( everything considered, in general); all the better( so much the better); for all that( in spite of); in all( all together, all included); not at all( refused totally).

A few students of all the colleges, not all the students, had been discussing the ‘Reservation Policy’ all day long. But all of them could not take a unanimous decision. The result was that all were divided in their opinion. All they could do was that they pledged to encourage all the students to remain united for this common cause. However, the boys, girls and teachers all favoured the views that came out of all arguments and debates. We all knew all this.

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